Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:00:38 -0800 To: balloon@balloonhq.com From: Mike <mikekenyon@balloonhq.com> Subject: Re: weird thingy Dear George: It sounds like a balloon model of a leech - they are known to cling. Or - just kidding! I haven't heard of this exactly, but it sounds to me like a very deep hook twist. You can make a very tight spiral with a deep hook twist (Patrick Brown showed me this, credited to - I think Sean Rooney, but I'm not sure.) Try using a stick or a wooden spoon and making an 8 or 10 inch deep hook twist and see if that wraps around your wrist. In my limited experience, the hook twist matches your description. Mike -- Latent structure is master of obvious structure. - Heraclitus